20 Mac 2010
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KTM BERHAD’S RESPONSE ON MALAYSIAKINI’S ARTICLE ON THE CAPTURE AND TORTURE OF STRAY DOG AT KTM KOMUTER KEPONG SENTRAL STATION
The complaint letter by M.Nisha (Ghastly animal abuse at Kepong KTM Station) in Malaysiakini dated 17 March 2010 is referred. KTM Berhad undoubtedly agrees that animal cruelty is not an acceptable behavior by any sane individual. It is uncivilized and intolerable by any religion and race in the world.
As reported, KTM Berhad has confirmed that the incident took place at KTM Komuter Kepong Sentral Station.
For your information, KTM Berhad, represented by a group of its senior officers, had conducted an investigation and went to see the staff at the said station to get more information as well as to visit the location of the incident. Essentially, the unpleasant incident had nothing to do with Dewan Bandaraya Kuala Lumpur (DBKL) or any of its employees. The name of the organisation was quoted indirectly when our counter clerk, who was not really aware of the incident, was asked about the situation. The clerk answered on impulse when he said that the dog was ‘perhaps’ captured and strapped by the officers from DBKL.
Even though his remarks was said by mistake, we are sorry for that he should have had investigated the situation before providing any statement. KTM Berhad is deeply sorry for the situation and would like to apologise to DBKL. It was not our intention to smear the image of DBKL with the incident. We hope DBKL is willing to accept our sincere apology.
With regards to the incident on 15 March 2010, the stray dog was captured by the staff of KTM Berhad with the help from our janitors who work at the station. For your information, the dog has been roaming the station for almost two years, and during that period, KTM Berhad had lodged more than three reports to Majlis Perbandaran Selayang (MPS) via telephone, with the final report made one day before the dog was captured, which was on 14 March 2010.
The necessity to catch the dog was made due to its troubling behavior whereby it had attacked and bitten our passengers at the parking area as well as in front of the KTM Komuter Kepong Sentral Station ticketing counter. However, the attacks and bites did not inflict any serious injuries so far. The last attack was reported on the evening after it was released which involved one Vietnamese passenger. Aside from that, we also found its feces around the platform area and during rainy seasons, the dog posed an inconvenience for the Muslim passengers especially, as its wet fur might touch them.
The decision to capture the dog was made due to the operation requirement, not because of the minister visit as per quoted by our staff. The dog was caught at round 12.00 noon and released at 1.30 pm. According to the staff we investigated, the piece of wood which was claimed shoved into his throat was not true. They did tie the dog to the fence. However, they did not shove the wood into its throat with the intention to torture or inflict injury to the animal. The wood, which was seen in its mouth, was the bait used when they were trying to catch it and the dog kept biting on the end of it. The staff tried to remove it from its jaw but it clamped the wood shut, we only managed to remove it after the second try.
The dog was released because we did not receive any confirmation from MPS to collect the animal. As reported, the dog was still straying around the area after it had been released.
I hope the general public should also appreciate the effort taken by the KTMB staff to address this recurring nuisance towards our KTM Commuter passengers whose patronage and peace has been disturbed by this stray dog. Whilst, we do recognize the method, in this instance, was questionable, it was done purely for the sake and comfort of our passengers. There was no intent of being cruel or to torture the stray dog. Our priority is for the safety and well-being of our passengers.
We will make sure that there will be no similar incident to take place. We have identified more efficient alternatives in handling stray dogs/wild animals, which is by contacting the SPCA and the local authorities to solve the problem at other stations as well.
We do not condone animal cruelty, what more to be a part of the brutality. However, I think the public should also evaluate the original intention it was meant to and not to quickly jump to condemn the method use without understanding the sequence of events. I am sure, all of us, when bitten by a mosquito, will hit it instantly without much thought. Is that considered as cruelty to insects? I know for a fact that, some time ago, when the crows [gagak] cause serious unhealthy situation in Klang, a campaign was mounted to shoot down the crows in a big way when their presence became intolerable. Is there some other way of doing it?
We truly hope that the explanation given is clear and we hope that the incident does not reflect the organisation in general.
Thank you.
Dr Aminuddin Adnan
aminuddin@ktmb.com.my
President
KTMB
20 Mac 2010
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RESPON KTM BERHAD TERHADAP SIARAN MALAYSIA KINI BERKENAAN PENANGKAPAN DAN PENYEKSAAN ANJING LIAR DI STESEN KTM KOMUTER KEPONG SENTRAL
Siaran Malaysiakini oleh M.Nisha (Ghastly animal abuse at Kepong KTM Station) bertarikh 17 Mac 2010 berkenaan perkara di atas adalah di rujuk. KTM Berhad bersetuju tanpa prasangka bahawa perbuatan menyiksa binatang adalah sesuatu yang tidak sepatutnya dilakukan oleh manusia yang mempunyai akal fikiran. Ianya adalah sesuatu yang tidak bertamadun dan tidak dapat diterima oleh mana-mana agama dan bangsa di dunia ini.
Sebagaimana yang dilaporkan, KTM Berhad mengesahkan bahawa ianya berlaku di Stesen KTM Komuter Kepong Sentral.
Untuk makluman, KTM Berhad yang diwakili beberapa pegawai kanan telah melakukan siasatan dalaman pada 18 Mac 2010 dengan memanggil kakitangan berkaitan bagi mendapatkan perincian peristiwa dan melawat ke lokasi kejadian pada 19 Mac 2010. Secara dasarnya, insiden ini tiada kaitan secara langsung dengan penguatkuasa dari Dewan Bandaraya Kuala Lumpur (DBKL) atau mana-mana kakitangan dari badan tersebut. Nama DBKL tercetus secara tidak langsung apabila soalan diajukan kepada kakitangan kerani kaunter kami pada hari kejadian yang sebenarnya tidak mendapatkan gambaran jelas berkenaan apa yang berlaku. Beliau secara spontan, ketika ditanya pengadu, menjawab bahawa anjing tersebut ‘berkemungkinan’ ditangkap dan ditambat oleh petugas dari DBKL.
Walaupun ianya dilakukan tanpa sengaja, namun kami kesal kerana beliau sepatutnya menyiasat terlebih dahulu sebelum memberikan sebarang kenyataan. KTM Berhad berdukacita atas situasi ini dan memohon maaf kepada pihak DBKL. Kami tiada niat untuk memburukkan imej DBKL dengan apa yang berlaku dan berharap pihak DBKL dapat menerima permohonan maaf kami.
Berkenaan insiden pada 15 Mac 2010 tersebut, anjing tersebut telah ditangkap oleh kakitangan KTM Berhad dengan bantuan pekerja kontrak pembersihan di stesen tersebut. Untuk makluman, anjing tersebut telah berada di stesen tersebut hampir dua tahun dan di sepanjang tempoh tersebut, KTM Berhad telah membuat lebih dari tiga aduan kepada Majlis Perbandaran Selayang (MPS) melalui telefon dan aduan terakhir dibuat adalah sehari sebelum anjing tersebut ditangkap iaitu pada 14 Mac 2010.
Keperluan kepada menangkap anjing tersebut adalah berdasarkan kewujudannya mengganggu penumpang kerana anjing tersebut pernah menyerang dan menggigit penumpang yang berada di sekitar kawasan meletak kenderaan dan berhadapan kaunter tiket KTM Komuter Kepong Sentral. Walau bagaimanapun serangan dan gigitan oleh anjing tersebut tidaklah sehingga membawa kepada keadaan kecederaan yang serius. Kes terakhir serangan oleh anjing tersebut adalah pada petang selepas ia dibebaskan iaitu serangan ke atas seorang warga Vietnam. Selain itu, anjing tersebut telah banyak kali membuang najisnya di kawasan platform dan ketika waktu hujan, kehadirannya di stesen akan meresahkan penumpang kerana air dari kibasan bulunya akan mengenai penumpang dan ianya suatu kesulitan terutama kepada penumpang beragama Islam.
Keputusan untuk menangkap anjing tersebut bukanlah berdasarkan lawatan menteri seperti dinyatakan namun dibuat atas keperluan operasi. Anjing tersebut yang ditangkap pada jam 12.00 tengahari dan kemudiannya dilepaskan semula pada jam 1.30 petang. Menurut kakitangan yang disoal, kehadiran kayu yang didakwa ditusuk ke kerongkong anjing tersebut adalah tidak benar. Kakitangan terlibat hanya mengikat anjing tersebut di pagar stesen namun tidak memasukkan sebarang kayu pada kerongkong dengan berniat menyiksa atau mencederakannya. Kayu yang dilihat ada pada mulut anjing tersebut hanya umpan untuk menangkapnya dan kayu tersebut telah digigit oleh anjing tersebut di bahagian hujungnya sahaja. Pihak kami telah melakukan dua cubaan untuk mengeluarkan kayu tersebut dan hanya berjaya dikeluarkan pada cubaan kedua kerana gigitan kuat pada kayu oleh anjing tersebut.
Anjing tersebut dilepaskan kembali kerana pihak kami tidak dapat sebarang pengesahan akan kehadiran MPS untuk mengambil anjing ini. Sebagaimana yang dilaporkan, sejurus anjing ini dilepaskan, ianya kembali berkeliaran di kawasan stesen.
Saya berharap orang ramai dapat membuat penilaian yang sewajarnya atas usaha yang telah diambil oleh kakitangan KTMB untuk menangani masalah anjing liar ini yang telah mengganggu ketenteraman penumpang-penumpang KTM Komuter dan menjadi satu nuisance yang berlarutan. Walaupun kaedah yang digunakan oleh kakitangan KTMB mungkin dipertikaikan, ianya dilakukan semata-mata bertujuan untuk menjamin keselamatan dan keselesaan penumpang-penumpang kami dan bukan niat menyiksa haiwan tersebut. Saya rasa kepentingan penumpang adalah prioriti kami.
Pihak kami akan memastikan selepas ini tiada lagi kejadian serupa berlaku. Pihak kami telah mengenal pasti alternatif yang lebih efisien untuk menangani masalah anjing/haiwan liar ini iaitu dengan menghubungi SPCA selain pihak berkuasa tempatan bagi menangani masalah sama di stesen-stesen lain.
Kami sama sekali tidak menyokong perbuatan menzalimi haiwan apatah lagi untuk bersubahat melakukannya. Walaubagaimana pun, saya rasa orang ramai juga perlu menilai tujuan asal langkah yang diambil dan tidak terus menghukum cara ianya dijalankan. Saya rasa semua orang, apabila digigit nyamuk, akan menampar nyamuk tersebut. Adakah itu juga boleh dianggap sebagai satu kekejaman kepada serangga? Setahu saya, satu ketika di Kelang, apabila burung-burung gagak menimbulkan masalah sampah sarap, satu usaha menembak gagak-gagak tersebut telah dijalankan secara besar-besaran untuk mengatasi masalah itu. Adakah cara penyelesaian yang lain?
Kami berharap agar penjelasan diberi adalah jelas dan memohon agar apa yang berlaku tidak dijadikan kayu ukur kepada sifat organisasi ini secara keseluruhannya.
Terima kasih.
Dr Aminuddin Adnan
aminuddin@ktmb.com.my
President
KTMB
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why do people always have to use examples that are nonsensical?
I think comparing a dog to a mosquito is a crap...
Let's say, ur beloved kitty kept sneaking to my kitchen and i cannot tolerate it anymore.
I will shoot it on my yard in the morning as u come out to get your newspaper?
THE POINT IS: YOu had this problem with the dog a for a long time, you should have called SPCA or other ORG. a loooooooong time ago.
And this last words doesnt slide out my mouth easily coz i have 2 dogs at home. If you want to kill the dog, do it somewhere where only YOU guys can see.
NOT IN PUBLIC, YOU IDIOTS!!!!
According to the staff we investigated, the piece of wood which was claimed shoved into his throat was not true. They did tie the dog to the fence. However, they did not shove the wood into its throat with the intention to torture or inflict injury to the animal.
YA, right!! And the poor dog peed and poooped coz he was scared?! THE DOG WAS IN PAIN!!!
My apologies if i have offended dog lovers for suggesting the idea of killing the dog on my previous post but I believe it is better than to be tortured again and again and again.
Can spca/mddb's volunteer staying around Kepong area try to go again to rescue this poor dog via other methods (like inserting sleeping pills to the food given) and then give this poor dog a new lease of life!
MOST RETARDED REASON EVER!!!
#1 - comparing dogs to mosquitoes & gagak
#2 - just because no one caught the dogs after several reports, you had NO OTHER choice but to catch him and do wht you did?? to me, it doesn't sound like a dead end. you could've called other org!
#3 - i still see the stick there-frm the pic! AND tieing him so closely & tightly to the fence... whts your reason to that?? inconvenience to your muslim passengers because they have a lesser pathway to walk, if given a longer leash for the dog??? and why tie the LEG??? its not like he can run away!!!
#4 - so if he leaves its feces around platform, it gives you the right to tie him like that??? you have cleaners. you pay them to clean. if you choose not to clean them, report to some org. that would take the dog. not wait 2 bloody years, and then do what you like!!! has it even solve the problem?? you still let him free.. now the volunteers have to find him and save him from the injuries u inflicted on him!!
#5 - If there're attacks, again; WHY THE HELL DIDNT REPORT to someone who could actually carry out the work?
eitherway, this matter was handled unprofessionally and INHUMANELY! (yes, even if you claim you had no intentions) but i bet it is even obvious a kid.
alternatives of handling this could've been made. it was not a dead end. you and your staffs are irresponsible, and just decided what to do at that time i.e. despite 2 years of ignorance -since several complaints were made to SAME body yet no action.
WHAT IS THIS???
PLAIN RUBBISH!!!!
Quote SPCA Staff Ms Shahrul Statement :
Let me give all a brief statement on this issue... we (SPCA) had visited and investigated this case.... it is still on going.
We had actually interviewed a few people of KTM at location. Through my experience with DBKL, such things had been done by DOG HATERS but not dog catchers. We were told by the people (KTM staff) that the dog had been chasing and biting the public... SO THEY SAID! My reply was simple, "there must be a reason or reasons why the poor dog chase and bite... TO DEFEND ITSELF... FROM BAD HUMAN OR HE / SHE IS IN FEAR...
DBKL p.i.c. has been very cooperative about this case and running their own investigation as well. Lets not jump to conclusion at the moment until the real culprit is being caught. WHY DOES A DOG CATCHER NEED TO TIE UP THE HEAD AND THE LEGS OF THE POOR DOG AND LEFT IT THERE FOR A FEW DAYS? THEN SHOVE A STICK INTO ITS MOUTH... IS IT NOT OBVIOUS THAT IT IS A JOB OF A DOG HATER?!
Those people were defensive, and talk with "HATE" in their voices. It is obvious they (the KTM) were defensive... why be defensive if they are right? Hmmm...
Our staff went a couple of time to the location, and once saw the poor soul limping and running away... the KTM staff said it has been caught last 16.03.2010, but we check with DBKL, there was no dog catching operation within the area at all for the whole week... it was not in their record nor the contractor's. There was no such dog in DBKL's pound. It may now hiding away and found a new place for safety, or in doggy heaven.
So, lets all pray for justice... pray for the real sinner to be caught! Lets work together people! We need to put our heads together.
Shahrul
SPCA
Pathetic reply & justification!!!!
Wat a crap!! u mean the dog has been biting and chasing ppl at the KTM for the past 2 years!! HELLO KTM U think u r talking to a 4 year old kid??
and MR KTM, wat a bunch of BULLSHIT. u mean to said the poor dog was biting UR bait and dont let go the STCIK??? yea rite?? wat a lame excause!! we dont know if it was ur fault of KTM fault, but wat i know is wat goes ard comes ard!
maybe MDDB can tell the KTM management to inform KTM Kepong that if that particular dog is seen again in future, the KTM staff at Kepong can call MDDB who can then send people to rescue it?
Otherwise, how do we know when the dog will show up in that area again? if as KTM says, the dog has been around for TWO YEARS!, then it means it can find food in the area and will probably come back again... to be tortured again... so if MDDB can work out a deal with the KTM top brass, the top brass can order the ktm kepong staff to call MDDB should the dog be seen around the station again. what thinking you MDDB?
another ignorant excuse by another "dr". why do we have such people in managment position? they are just brainless and heartless.
dogs only attack and bite when they are provoked. the dog was already injured, how can he still attack the passenger?
inconveniencing the muslim bec of wet fur? i have a lot of my muslim frens who love dogs and this problem can be easily solved by washing the affected areas with rain water or water mixed with earth. what stupid excuse by the "dr".
dvs, what is your action since you have a confession from this "dr" that it is ktmb's act and proof of the picture. i can clearly see the stick being shoved down the poor animal's throat and the way it is being tied up is simply inexcusable. this is ANIMAL CRUELTY.
mddb, please rescue the dog ASAP before the local council steps in and put this dog to sleep.
and once the dog is rescued... mddb can announce it on this blog... and we will all chip in for the cost of the dog's medical treatment and upkeep until it is rehomed.
another 'DR" wonder where they got ther DR licience fr??? just plain stupid excause!! i have muslim friends who adore dogs and even went to my place to play with my dogs!
please dont try to protect u idiot staffs!
KTMB President urge 2 public 2 appreciate his cruelty act - go 2 hell !
I am not a dog lover but I do not hate the animal altogether. Dogs are God’s creatures, created on this world for some reason just like us humans.
After I read the article from Malaysiakini, I was stunned and shocked. The photos were frightening and they angered me. After waited for three days the incident, KTMB finally released a statement.
The response given was a bit of both logic and not so logic combined. The presence of the stray dog was disturbing, as I have used to board Komuter from Kepong Sentral Station and occasionally, I stumbled into the dog. The animal did have a terrible troubling stench and its mangy condition was a little disturbing even for me as I was afraid it might attack or bite me. Looking at its condition, the dog could have carried some diseases and would endanger the passengers should it attacked us.
It is true that dogs don’t necessarily attack people unless it is provoked or threatened, but bear in mind of the diseases they carry, and Malaysia once was hit by mad dog disease a while back. Diseased dogs are known to attack civilian without being provoked and their bites would prove fatal. Domestic dogs are also prone to attacks. As an example, you may encounter guard dogs that bark at you once you are considered in their territory. If left unleashed, they might aggressively attack to protect its territory. Therefore, the claim that dogs do not attacked unless threatened is not entirely true. Just like humans, dogs can be offended and act out with no apparent reasons. We have heard domestic animals attack their owners from time to time.
As Muslims, we acknowledge that Islam has stated that we are not to touch the wet fur of dogs, and should we do, we are to cleanse the area with samak (cleanse with mud water) as it is considered najis mughallazah. However, should the touch takes place when both the dog and Muslim are in dry condition, then it is permissible samak is not performed. Back to the stray dog that resides and roams the platform area in Komuter stations, I agree that it poses more problems to Muslim passengers, as close proximity might lead to a brush against the skin for both passengers and the dog, and samak, as inconvenient as it is, would be a must. We Muslims do not hate dogs as God’s creatures, but its appearance should be avoided in certain situations.
In the statement, KTMB did mention that DBKL had nothing to do with the incident and the reports were lodged to Majlis Perbandaran Selayang (MPS). Can SPCA and MDDB check with MPS, perhaps the said dog is in their custody.
As per reported, the dog had been a permanent fixture at the station for two years. The responsibility to report the inconvenience was not KTMB’s alone but the public’s and the neighbouring community’s as well. We all should’ve reported the dog to SPCA, or even MPS for that matter.
I would like to mention a bit on KTMB’s response. The part about putting mosquitoes and dogs in the same category is a little out of the perspective here. Yes, they are both pests but totally impossible to be categorised and regarded in the same box. Mosquitoes are globally known as pests and carry diseases but dogs are well below that, plus dogs can be domesticated and tamed as pets. Good, loyal pet I may add. And we have SPCA to attend to stray animals issue. KTMB should have taken into consideration of involving SPCA to solve the problem since the very beginning.
Truthfully, I do not have a dog, but i wish that they are not harmed and tortured mercilessly. As this is KTMB’s first case, we acknowledge that KTMB tried to reconcile peacefully with the issue for the first two years of the dog’s existence there at the station. And the dog was captured for only a few hours and released again later. That for me is a signal of kind heart and mercy. But I do hope should there be any more cases in the future, proper actions will be considered. All God’s creatures deserve to be treated with respect. I hope we all learn the proper lesson from this and try to avoid it in the future.
stupid school student reasons... the dog specifially bit a vietnamese. so now we cant ask that person to testify as well. from my experience, if the dog is biting people. its scared. its needs help. it doesnt need you to shove a stick down its throat and tie it up. I had a good laugh reading the letter. Basically KTMB, just made the matter worse. Dog.. Mosquito. Wet Hair. Crows. I really think he gave his 7 year old child to write this explanation letter or thats all 'DR' Aminudin's IQ his.
Operation requirements? Well, what were these requirements? Tie a dog to the fence for 30 mins and then release it? sounds operationally absurd.
The dog was tied up uncomfortably for 30 mins without the freedom of movement of access to drinking water. The picture taken is evident of animal cruelty. Whether it is for 5 mins or 1 second, it still constitutes animal cruelty.
And the previous fact that they did not realise SPCA could offer efficient help just reflects their seriousness in really finding an alternative. I mean seriously, you didn't think of SPCA? Where do you live? in a cave?
Comparing a dog to a mosquito is just plain unintelligent. Goes to show why the whole incident even managed to take place. YES THERE IS ANOTHER WAY of doing it, and you said that you had realised now that SPCA would have been more efficient in the handling of the stray.
I dont know about you guys but Im sending an email to this president to let him know he is a classic example of unintelligent unemotional malaysian.
Malaria Max .. ive already sent an email to tat so called "DR" or president..
guess i should call me a mosquito soon...
I urge all you people reading this blog who have a conscience that goes beyond yourself,
To take the initiative to elevate the state of animal welfare in Malaysia. In this case, we can start with emotional awareness.
Send out emails, post on facebook profiles, group pages highlighting this case. Bring attention to focus. Make this VIRAL.
This battle is not all lost, through the power of mass opinion (sent through emails and social network platforms), the president's attention was caught and this incident was not ignored. It just goes to show how much we can achieve if we get involved in small efforts on our part, even from just the comfort of our homes.
Of course there is still heaps to do, but the first step is always the most important step in any movement. For without the essential, the will be no subsequent.
Comparing dogs to mosquitos.... it shows the backward mentality of these barbarians. How can the nation progress when we have these barbarians with their stone age mentality and intelligence running these and that... no wonder jokes about government servants and government service have been going on for years since Independence. KTM is staffed by a management with stone age mentality just like in the govt service. Even God cannot save these barbarians... maybe the US Marines can come in and take them all away to Afghanistan and blow them up with C4. Fucking barbarians... if I pass by the Kepong KTM station and see any of their staff doing this to a dog... I will grab the pole and stuff it up their behind! But with their barbarian mentality, they would probably enjoy it!
cats can carry diseases that can be fatal to humans too... so why be paranoid about dogs only? humans too can carry dangerous diseases which can spread to fellow humans too, and we sit next to sick humans in ktm kommuter trains no?
so why are some humans so paranoid about dogs to the extent they must be tortured and wiped out?
such humans are sick mentally, they need psychiatric help. they suffer from some type of paranoid psychosis.
KTM PRESIDENT,U r nothing but SHIT!!!! Dun talk COCK!!!! Im sorry and i dun mean to be rude here MDDB but im truly annoyed wiz their statement... Their statement are full of nothing but REAL SHIT!!! They think the public might believe on the statement? NO WAY!!! Pictures doesnt LIE!!!! Pictures speaks more than their STATEMENT!!!! juz go to HELL KTMB PRESIDENT!!!!
Dear MDDB Angels,
I hope u angels can manege to find the poor fella 1st b4 the EVILS get him/her.... We all knw wat wil happen if the poor fella end up in their hands 1st....
The KTMB president's response is a typical statement from a buta gaji seat-warmer in the higher echelon of organisations like KTM. They behave like some little Napoleons, no action will be taken against their underlings, because they secretly condone such actions... why? Because they hate dogs... in front they talk PR-crap, behind they snigger and let their underlings torture any dogs they want... cut all the PR crap KTM president, we already know what you are up to... typical shithead buta gaji asshole. i hope a mad dog one day will bite your bum and family jewels and run off and escape.
Dear Anonymous March 21, 2010 3:39 AM,
you are talking through your backside. From what you have said, its clear that you know dogshit about dogs. Your statement "dogs can be domesticated and tamed as pets", is plain stupid. Dogs are domesticated animals you fool. They are strays because of stupid and irresponsible people in this country. And then you said, "
It is true that dogs don’t necessarily attack people unless it is provoked or threatened, but bear in mind of the diseases they carry, and Malaysia once was hit by mad dog disease a while back. Diseased dogs are known to attack civilian without being provoked and their bites would prove fatal." Stop talking from your backside. And for your information, several Muslims had gone on search teams to locate the dog and to bring it to the veterinary clinic in their cars. Stop givingt Muslims a bad names by generalising that all Muslims have low tolerance for dogs!
Hey, Jaaba is starting to defend KTMB. Read the line he has highligted in the Petnegative blog.
jabba will defend anyone or group which tortures dogs... another sicko who needs psychiatric help...
Dear Anonymous March 21, 2010 3.39AM,
I agree with anonymous March 21, 2010 6.02AM but maybe not in such harsh word but i do think his/her statement is right. I doubt you know much about dogs and actually if a wet dog do come in contact with you accidentally, you can actually perform 'samak' with anything considered clean e.g if you can't find rain water or mud mixed with water, you can use soap instead coz it's considered cleansing and it's more than enough. Pls don't make it complicated and the reason that M'sia is so backward is because of ppl like you. Try log on to kucing2terbiar.blogspot.com. I salute this Malay guy who compassion despite being a Muslim and there's even explanation on dogs whereby some do not consider it haram. Pls educate yourself. your statement have showed your true nature and also showed how intelligent you are.
I'm sorry, but this is just a load of crap to cover themselves. The whole problem in this country is the cruel manner in which stray dogs are dealt with by the authorities. KTM's letter seems overly eager to exonerate DBKL.
The sad fact is how are we to believe when DBKL and other municipal councils all over Malaysia have been accused of so many dog abuses for years now and reported in the press too. Why should we believe this case was different?
Worse, KTM goes and calls Selayang council who are in the press now for allegedly leaving dogs to die of starvation and thirst in their pound -and this has been going on for years!!!
And this thug who wrote the letter from DVS - Mr Soh had once called me on my cell phone and made personal threats against me for accusing DVS of not responding to animal abuse reports when the public lodge complaints. This has been documented in the newspapers especially in the death of the dog Sheena, A German Shepherd, starved to death by her owner.
I said this in a meeting at the Ministry of Housing and Local Government in front of about 30 people. The DVS officer present even admitted DVS was "too busy to bother about animal abuse" even though the LAW CLEARLY STATES THEY HAVE TO RESPOND.
I don't know how this Mr Soh got my cell phone number but I told him to put down his personal threats in writing. He said "you know I will never do that" (obviously). As a responsible goverment servant he should be making an investigation into my claims. But he was instead behaving like a thug.
And we expect these people to find that stray dog and do something humane for it? Ha!
I lodged a police report against Mr Soh and sent a letter with the police report attached to the Ministry of Agriculture, the ministry to which DVS reports. I never got a reply from the Ministry and nothing came out of the police report either.
Why do these poor independent rescuers have to comb the streets seeking out strays and nursing them to health, fighting with pounds to be more humane, fighting with the government to change the Animal Ordinance by getting thousands of signatures from Malaysians by standing in malls, hospitals etc only to find the new Animal Act basically reproduced the Animal Ordinance with not a single clause changed. This is the failure of the DVS.
Why should all these rescuers spend their own money and time doing this? The rescuers are falling sick from the enormity of the problem, but bless their hearts, they can't turn away and struggling to cope to help where they can.
What are the DVS and councils being paid for? Why are taxpayers money going to these government departments for work they are not doing?
All you independent rescuers, animal lovers, any decent human being who care for the future of this country - the only way is to VOTE OUT the Barisan Nasional government. You need to do this for your children, the animals and for yourselves. Something is very wrong when you live in a country where such acts of cruelty is rampant...to the point that the public are sickened to the pits of their stomachs...and then find out there is NO WHERE, NO ONE, NO HELP, NO RECOURSE WHATSOEVER for such crimes to be reported, punished and ensured it will not happen again. Why?
The frightening truth is the very people who are supposed to protect these animals are themselves being accused of this abuse on the one hand (like the municipal councils) and on the other hand like the DVS and Wildlife Department taking no action against animal abuse.
Please, please register to vote if you are not yet a voter and end this rule of the corrupt BN government as it is killing the soul of this nation.
Shoba Mano
The Remembering Sheena Campaign.
www.remembersheena.blogspot.com
Halo! Some ppl are still defending retards like the KTMB Dr. It's a joke when they said that the stick was not purportedly stuck into it's throat but a bait was attached to the stick and when the dog fell for the bait it bit the stick and was reluctant to let go until a second attempt was made. ARE THEY JUST PLAIN STUPID OR WAT? And to anonymous 3.39 AM, dogs are not PESTS but is classified as PESTS under our local laws because it's run by barbarians. They are PETS not PESTS u idiot!
this country is run by a federal govt with taliban mentality, local councils too with warlord talibans, state govts too with little napoleons. so do these talibans, warlords and little napoleons care about dogs? of course not, they care only about CORRUPTION, how much money they can siphon off into their pockets before they retire into a life of luxury... plenty of swiss bank accounts with malaysian names.... dogs??? they cannot vote and they cannot bribe these talibans, warlords and little napoleons, so dogs have a low priority in the interest of these scumbags... they don't care what happens to the dogs... they don't even care about the cats!
yeah, i agree with shoba. first, get rid of the corrupt BN federal govt. then work downwards and get rid of all the talibans in the state govt and local councils and glc companies.
remember, don't get angry.... GET EVEN!
"Mankind differs from the animals only by a little, and most people throw that away." ... Confucius
I know the KTM letter is full of crap excuses and explanations, but it does show that they are concerned about public opinion. Perhaps it can be a good thing if they are now willing to negotiate and learn from SPCA on better methods of stray management. Lets all hope, and pray that something positive will come of this.
If KTM will genuinely work with SPCA to do humane stray population control (eg Neuter and Release, humane roundups, better fencing, better action instead of leaving the dog around for 2 yrs then torturing it as a 'lesson'), hopefully other departments (coughVeterinarycough) can learn and do better! That can really make Malaysia a Caring Nation. Right now, Caring Nation is a joke. A bad, sad joke.
We animal lovers must also do our part to observe our surroundings and also take pictures and write letters to highlight cases that we see. We cant expect other people to take action for us.
More publicity = more action. Absolute Kudos! to M. Nisha for taking action and writing to KTM in a polite, yet strong manner, forcing them to respond.
I'm agree with Anna, lets hope that KTMB really take this as a lesson. I believed they do after seeing the impact that we bring through above comments.
dr aminuddin adnan and KTM berhad are LIARS!!! We're not blind and we're not stupid. that piece of wood was not used as bait. what dog responds to wood as bait? MORONS! we can see clearly in the photo that the wood is going straight down into the dog's throat. F*** YOU KTM AND DR AMINUDDIN.
what happened with the dog and the manner it was handled truly was a true reflection of how some of us mistreat some animals in the country.
KTMB learned the hard way that there are people who care about stray animals in this country. we condemn the way KTMB handled the stray dog situation and hope that it will never occur ever again.
i am a muslim and yes i do acknowledge the proximity issue with regards to dogs. however, i never consider myself a dog hater just because i have limitations when it comes to physical contact with them. in fact, i love them the same with my cats and i do accept the limitations as part of my obligation to my religion.
KTMB's response was a slightly skewed peception of how i would describe a corporate response. not only it was delusional but also childish. there are other ways to counter such issu and KTMB chose the low one. with misguided metaphors and even nonsensical examples. the more they tried to defend/justify the act, the more desperate they sound. just own it for goodness sake. and try not to repeat the mistake in the future.
just to clear the air, Islam never condones animal cruelty. even dog is considered haram, Islam never asks Muslims to kill or even hurt the animal. The Prophet was once said to had helped a dog and gave water to the poor creature.
should any cruel act occured/caused by Muslims, it is the the people, not the religion. some of us humans are evil in that sense and this power play against defenseless animal is just a sign of hoe cruel we are.
we muslims believe in Judgement day. if these people lives today and not get punished, they will get their pinishment in a thousand folds in hell. cruelty to animals is prohibited in Islam, and in any other religion.
if god created all the creatures and humans of this world, that means dogs were created by god too right? Can any creature created by god be considered haram in any way? anything created by the hands of god cannot be haram. unless there are many gods, and dogs were created by one god only and another god created chicken and another god created humans.... hey! what a screwed up world... sack all the gods....
I heard that there's a few mazhab and the mazhab that says dogs are 'haram' is mazhab syafi'i because it's been widely followed by M'sia and Indonesia especially since centuries ago but there are also other mazhab which states that only certain elements on dogs are 'haram' e.g the saliva and the wet nose tip but there's also another mazhab which states that 'God thinks that all creatures are SUCI' so it overrule all mazhab and those who are more 'open minded' would prefer to follow this rule, hence, some Muslims rear dogs not only for purpose like hunting, guardogs and so on but also as pets who can do double duty like guarding a house as well.
Another example, i'm sure most have heard of when we were younger, i remember in primary school a teacher of mine gave an moral example and ask us to provide an answer on the right thing to do and here is how it goes... If u saw an injured dog at the side of the road, what would you do? Well, she chose a Malay boy in my class to answer that question and guess what did the boy said. "Nothing! Because i am a Muslim and we can't touch dogs". So who's fault is it that the boy gave such an answer? First, i believe it comes from the parents and second of all it's our EDUCATION and the govt should step in and EDUCATE the public.
Can u imagine that all the council workers who starved the dogs are doing it themselves and who should be held responsible?! It's our education system that needs to change and it has to start from the govt because even if NGOs like MDDB and AnimalCare does CNRM, things can be achieved but at a smaller scale compared to the govt. A good eg would be, if the govt make it a MUST that all owners spay/neuter their pets and stop giving out pet shop licences and shut down unlicensed breeder then we can achieve ZERO stray population in a matter or years and once it's been passed as a new rule and higher penalty is imposed on animal cruelty and abandoning then WE can achieve this in NO TIME. It is not easy but we, the animal lovers are willing to go all the way with you guys!
PLS TO THE GOVERNMENT IF YOU GUYS ARE READING THIS, PLEASE DO SOMETHING ALREADY! THE FIRST STEP IS TO PASSED A NEW RULE ON CNRM, RELEASE STRAYS WITH TIPPED EAR (AN INTERNATIONAL INDICATION WHERE THE ANIMAL HAS BEEN SPAYED/NEUTERED), HIGHER PENALTY ON ANIMAL ABUSERS/ABANDONERS (CURRENTLY IT'S ONLY RM 200 MAX), SHUT DOWN UNLICENSED BREEDERS AND STOP GIVING OUT PET SHOP LICENSE (WHY BUY WHEN U CAN ADOPT!) AND MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL, EDUCATION (EDUCATE YOUR COUNCIL EMPLOYEES/CARETAKERS/DOGCATCHERS). AND EVEN THE 2010 BUDGET DOES NOT HAVE ALLOCATION FOR STRAYS/ANIMAL WELFARE!!! CURRENTLY ALL THE $$$ ARE FROM GOOD SAMARITANS OWN POCKETS AND WE ARE EVEN SUBSIDISING THE GOVT ON PRACTISING CNRM, RESCUING AND TREATING OF NEGLECTED POUND ANIMALS AND ETC. PLS WAKE UP ALREADY!!!
what is with haram this, haram that? everything in this world n all the universes were created by god almighty. nothing is haram. it is the superstition in human minds that make creatures n things haram. eg... alcohol can be used as disinfectant in medical science, but drink too much of it and we get drunk. good or bad usage of alcohol is up to us. god gave us the intelligence to think and act.
all religions were created donkey years ago, when mankind have not invented the plane, go to the moon, send spacecraft to orbit other planets, created the nuclear bomb, aircraft carriers, submarines, heart transplant, etc, etc,
unless the major religions of the world upgrades its rules and regulations, its followers will forever have a mentality belonging to that donkey years ago. then their country become a third world banana republic, full of violence, civil wars, dictatorships, famine, disease-ridden, corruption, etc.
god allows us to think and move forward and change our philosophies, do it or else be left behind when the rest of the and the more advanced countries move forward into a more liberal thinking environment and forges ahead in the the medical, scientific and military field.
look at the US, it is the strongest country in the world because of its liberal thinking and democratic ideals. while the third world banana republic beg for food for its famine-stricken citizens and they have an exploding population because they do not use condoms. but that is ok since banana republics have a lot of civil wars that kill a lot of its citizens anyway.
so for malaysia, it citizens must too decide to be progessive and liberal and move forward or be left behind and be another banana state in Asia behind even burma and north korea.
WELCOME TO MALAYSIA... TRULY A BANANA STATE IN ASIA!
there was the time when a big earthquake hit a part of iran. buildings collapse and hundreds were buried in the rubble. western rescue teams wanted to fly in with their rescue dogs to help find buried victims still alive.
there was a problem because dogs are considered HARAM in iran. but the dogs were necessary because they were the only creatures who can SMELL the humans buried under the rubble.
so the ayatollah of that time issued a fatwa stating that for the duration of the rescue ALL DOGS in iran were HALAL.
when the rescue work were all done and the western rescue teams and their dogs flew off, the ayatollah issued another fatwa... DOGS ARE HARAM again in iran!
see what hypocrites these ayatollahs are? when they needed the dogs to rescue iranians, dogs are halal, when the rescue was over, dogs are haram again.
makes me wonder why the western rescue teams bother to fly into iran to save iranians. if dogs are haram, then let the victims lie buried in the rubble and die a slow painful death. that will teach them a lesson to say dogs are haram.
when highland towers collapsed in the Klang Valley, they used rescue dogs to sniff out victims too REMEMBER !!!
anyone who thinks dogs are haram or dirty should be left to die in the rubble. show no mercy to those who are barbarians.
Hello all.... i doubt if letter writing to local organisations will help. I wonder if there is any way to get things like this covered by international media.... maybe on al jazeerah.... either that or it's grass roots re-education of the people around us.
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Malaysiakini is a good choice cuz its the Opposition papers, and the govt wants to keep our votes. I dont think international media can do much unless you broadcast over CNN, but Malaysia will just be like, Don't busybody!
there is no end to this dog cruelty issue. it will settle down for a while and then flare up again as a new case of dog torture surfaces. there are many people in this country who just hate dogs and will torture them for the fun of it, because they think dogs are haram and therefore it is ok to torture them. sooner or later, violence will break out between the torturers and the rescuers. of course, the state and federal govts will always wait for something serious to happen before they run around like chickens with their head chopped off and try to sweep everything under the carpet and tell everyone not to take the law into their own hands.... when they know these incidents will eventually spark off some violent confrontations. that is the buta gaji, corrupt govt officials for you. even god cannot help this country... it is doomed.
for all we know, the poor dog could have been caught by those who tortured it, killed and buried quietly... that way no more evidence! tadak bukti!
To anonymous March 22, 2010 4.33 am - I don't think that they (KTMB) will go that far. After this news aired, all eyes are on them, I beg that they are not dare to do such thing.
Lets not talk about religious matter, lets talk about how to prevent this animal abuse from happen again in future.
I went to the station this evening to look for the dog, i cant find it anywhere..I didnt want to ask thier staff as it was really clear KTMB was trying to cover the story, so , by me asking thier staff there, it will be useless...
i just hope someone would be able to find the dog. I hope its not suffering and dieing slowly and miserably.. justice need to be done...wonder whether this article came out in any local newspaper..
there is no way we can prevent animal abuse from happening again... for the last 50 years it has been happening all over the country, from penang in the north to johor baru in the south... to sabah and sarawak.
in sabah, a british animal welfare group has started a project to help stray dogs there. it takes the western foreigners to do the dirty work of helping the stray animals... local sabahans cannot do it...
so how to stop animal abuse in this country?? we can only cut down the incidences. one way is by inviting the british and american animal ngos to come in and start projects, the local officials then sort of behave themselves because the mat sallehs are keeping an eye on animal cruelty. and mat sallehs are not the type to keep quiet when they see local officials abusing local animals, they speak up and loudly too... i know, i work in a western country for many years with mat salleh colleagues. our local officials look down on local people but respect the mat sallehs, they see the mat sallehs as some kind of superior human beings. so they kowtow to them.
Why should man expect his prayer for mercy to be heard by what is above him when he shows no mercy to what is under him. .... Pierre Troubetzkey
this is crazy. there has been several cases of animal abuses all over the country, but its still happening...y? because there is no law enforcement for animals in this country....take US for example, they have animal cops to save animals, not only DOGS....how much can SPCA do? They are nt a gov body, they r NGO....i have personally logded a complaint to SPCA over a mth ago, but due to restricted authority/ actions that they have, they too cant do much (although they are trying)....they can only save those animals, punishing is not their job. When the GOVT starts punishing animal abusers with longer jail sentence and heavier penalties, thats when this sort of cruelty will start to reduce, if not totally disappear.....The govt needs to look into this....or give SPCA/PAWS etc the power to nab abusers....
LOVE ANIMALS!!!!
does KTMB thinks that with just a 'letter' it's sufficient to justify for the torture this poor dog went through? Does KTMB not think that further disciplinary action is required to be take towards its staff and proper operational procedure for such incidents needs to be documented and taken into action? what makes them think that they can play god and take things into their own hands by 'sentencing' this dog to punishment with a wood down its throat?? what makes them think they are allowed to treat ANY living creature as such?? what gives them the right to tie a dog to a poll not just its legs but it's neck and snout too??! this is sick especially if a conglomerate allows such a despicable act to take place. ridiculous excuses, if this poor dog really is such a nuisance, then KTMB needs to take necessary measures to ensure its passengers safety are taken care of. NOT PLAY GOD AND TORTURE A POOR DOG THEN SAY IT'S FOR THE HUMAN'S GOOD! we're all civilised people, use your brains and think of solutions! and what did they get for torturing a poor dog this way? nothing!!! with these kind of actions, the government is only promoting that it's ok to torture dogs given 'with the right reasons'. is this what we want? is this what we teach?? show some example. call for strict legal actions against KTMB and its staff. an 'apology letter' is not sufficient to restore justice to the dog. nothing deserves to be punished like that. do not blame the dog and punish it because in the first place, those incidences supposedly attacks towards passengers, might have been caused by instigations from the passengers to the dog! dogs wont bite without reason, without instigation! they have no grudges against humankind! use YOUR HEAD!!!
ktmb, local councils and other govt depts know that they can always get away with cruelty to dogs. dvs will not take action against another govt dept or ktmb or local councils or their dog catchers. they know it is difficult for any private independent animal welfare groups to initiate legal action against a local council for example because it takes MONEY to do so and most animal welfare groups do not want to use money donated for their animal welfare activities for legal purposes such as a lawsuit. So it is a hopeless situation, nothing much can be done about it unless we change the federal govt. Otherwise for the next fifty years, dog cruelty will continue and we can only protest again and again and again, yet knowing little will be done by the authorities.
Another way will be to request the Bar Council to help for free in a specific case like the incident at the Kepong KTM station. Proof is needed of course, such as picture evidence, witnesses' statements, and if possible the dog can be caught and its injuries documented and presented as court evidence. All these take time, effort and meticulous investigation for the case to be a concrete one and not a waste of time. Who will do it?
another way is for groups like mddb to start a legal fund. this fund will be used to institute lawsuits against any individuals or councils or govt bodies or glcs that are found to be abusing animals. those who donate to this legal fund want the money to be used for the above purpose and nothing else... that is another way.
as the popular statement goes: DON'T BE ANGRY, GET EVEN!
blame the dog owner ...oh nooooo.. blame the authorities and never the owner and ktm .. yeah ... woohoooo
what a horrible and disturbing act. Imagine my shock when i had opened this posting, only to find out that i've fed this dog a few times. while he roams around this station. He's a friendly guy and only feels threatened when being chased. All said and done, how do you rationalise the theory of a mosquito to a dog? And how does a dog hold on to a ... See Morestick for that long if you claim he was bitting on it? You're much concern about rubbing other authorities in a wrong way. You claim your staffs captured the dog? M.Nisha's letter says they discovered the dog at 3pm and you say the dog was set free at 1.30pm??? Your train services speak for themselves and now you have a watch that doesn't work too?? Fix it! and you act too!
I am surprised and shock this is so disturbing i am glad the dog got found! How is the dog condition?
I agree such a horrible and disturbing act and they way their reasoning is pointless a pictures speaks the truth .What a silly reason some more .I really hope they get what they did to the dog Karma karma!
conclusion are tak ada orang yang salah mengaku salah....admit it...one word which can describe it...tak berperikemanusiaan!!!!!!!!!!11111
intan liyana:-
first, i would like to apologize on behalf of my ignorant fellow muslim friends...
i'm a muslim as well but i love all kinds of animals which includes dogs! this is a clear case of animal cruelty and even if the dogs had attacked some people, it doesnt give you the right to torture it!
shame on you DR. for your press statement. we are not stupid...it is clear that you are trying to get off the hook for what your KTM staff had done!
for those who claim themselves as muslims and said that they can't do anything to help this poor creature just because it is haram, you guys really give islam a bad name! go and help the dog and after, just wash your hand and body with soil n water. Sooo damn lazy la you people!
As for the dog...i hope you get better and i hope that justice will be serve!
I got this letter from Anonymous who responded to this statement:
We appreciate YB & YM quick response in tackle the complain regarding the above mentioned cruelty. Please nota that after the unpleasant incident took placed in KTM Kepond Station, KTM President Dr Aminuddin Adnan has made a statement which is truly disgusting (as per attached below). In his statement, he has confirmed that the cruelty was took place at KTM Komuter Kepong Sentral Station. However, he defended that he has help the public in eliminating a nuisance (herein referred to the abused dog) . Worse still, he urged the public to appreciate his staff cruelty act.
Kindly take nota that he is not a nobody, but a respectable high ranking government servant in which our tax money goes to his salary ! His statement not only discredits him, but also shows that he is a heartless human. Instead of conducting an investigation on the animal cruelty case and punish his staff who is at fault, he choose to pledge his support to cover them.
For YB & YM information, after the wide explosure of this extreme cruelty case in the major press, animal blog, animal forum, as well as world wide web, many readers, bloggers including Muslim condemn his staff cruelty act to the poor dog. (please reder to the below appended acticle in Malaysiakini by a Muslim). Moreover, it has drawn the attention of international animal welfare group - PETA. Dr Aminuddin Adnan should ashame of his unprofessional in dealing with public complain. It is inevitably that his department staff has committed a criminal under Section 43 of The Animal Act 1953 (revised 2006).
Lastly, we would like to reiterate that if his staff has gone against the law, the punishment has to be upon them. In this case, we are sorry to reierate that Dr Aminuddin Adnan management skill and leadership are questionable.
what a beautiful explaination ! throw back all the blame to general public ! good ! good job ktm!! sure we'll appreciate all the hard work done by u all !! keep the good job !!
i agree we should take the actual culprit to justice in order to safe guard the remaining dogs in the street....U KTM have no right to injured the so call dog thru your own justice...please do bear in mind that we are living here as human not inhumane...kindly be more alert throw your instinct before comitting a crime....we would forgive any want who creat cruelty to animal...
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DO NOT USE THE TRAIN SERVICES OFFERED BY KTMB IF YOU PLAN ON VISITING MALAYSIA.
DO NOT RECOMMEND ANYBODY TO USE ITS TRAINS (OLD, DIRTY AND LATE MOST TIMES ANYWAY...)
I SHALL USE AIRASIA, OR BUSES, WHICH ARE WAY FASTER, CLEANER AND MORE COMFORTABLE
WE MAKE SURE KTMB KNOWS IT DOES NOT PAY TO BE CRUEL TO STRAYS, AND BEING NONCHALANT ABOUT IT.
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